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the driving forces behind a new film about lyndon johnson and jfk. it comes out early next month. director rob reiner and actor woody hairson who plays the 36th president will both join us right here on set. that does it for us this morning. stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage right now. >> good morning. i'm stephanie ruhle with a lot of news to cover. starting with president trump and the senate majority leader ready to break bread today. can they break the tension and the dead lock with bannon the bomb thrower? >> there's a time and season for everything and right now it's a season of war against a gop establishment. >> how about that? and a week into the worst wildfires into inn california's history with 40 people killed, now 24 hour shifts for 11,000 firefighters are taking their toll. >> this is my house. this is my home, this is my
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everything and now i got to figure out where to go from here. >> and harvey weinstein's trouble going global. police in london are investigating claims against sexual assault as one of his famous accusers speaks publicly about her claims. >> after many, many decades, what feels like many decades in this industry to have felt the support and the coming together of everybody this week, so thank you very much. >> we begin this morning with president trump. is he ready to make nice? the president set to meet face-to-face with senator mitch mcconnell in just a few hours after blasting the majority leader over health care this summer and a whole lot of other things. can these two men mend fences to get tax form through? you're in luck. we have an incredible team here to kick off this busy monday morning starting with the white house and kristen walker. vice president pence is also going to be attending today's lunch.
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are are you kidding me? what's at stake for the president? trump loves these uncomfortable situation? >> reporter: this may be a saw as you pointed out. there have been tensions between the two behind the scenes and in public with the president really blaming mcconnell for the failure to repeal pane replace obamacare and really mounting frustrations over what he sees as a stalled agenda. that's why he reached out to chuck and nancy to try to strike a deal with them on the continuing resolution. the question is today what specifically are they going to be focused on. i spoke to a white house official who said on the menu, the budget and of course tax reform and then health care. just last week, president trump launched those two executive orders aimed at gutting parts of obamacare. so the likely discuss the way forward when it comes to health care as well. the budget's going to be critical. it may be a preliminary vote
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this week and it's necessary to move forward with that before anything significant can actually get done when it comes to tax reform. now, this all comes against that backdrop of the president's former top adviser steve bannon effectively declaring war on the republican party. some republicans saying that type of rhetoric isn't helpful in advancing the president's agenda. mr. trump spent part of the weekend reaching out to the establishment, golfing with graham and rand paul on sunday. now very busy day here in addition to that lunch with the senate majority leader. the president's also going to have a cabinet meeting this morning and he heads to south carolina for a campaign event this evening. >> i find it all astounding the backdrop of course. steve bannon this weekend who is president's trump home boil any way you slice it, blasting mitch mcconnell and the gop establishment and there they are having lunch today. i want to go to capitol hill now.
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garrett hague is standing by. what's at stake for mcconnell at this lunch? there's no way he wants to go. >> reporter: that's right. i happen to think the lunch is just lunch but the stakes of getting something done on the budget and tax reform are immeasurably huge for this majority leader. his reputation as a deal maker and someone that can get things done and potentially his seat at the leadership table in the first place. republicans i've talked to over the last couple weeks have been essentially unanimous in setting the stakes for passing tax reform or really more simply, something that might look or smell like a middle class tax cut. the stakes are about as high as they can get. they get the perception. they hear it not just from steve bannon but from the people back in their home states and districts who say in particular the senate is not getting anything done and this is the kind of big ticket item, the kind of thing that can be felt by people in their home states
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and districts if they get money back in their taxes. the republicans know they have to prove that with control with both houses of congress and the white house they can be a governing party. so the stakes are about as high as they can get. mitch mcconnell, personally, doesn't particularly care if he's liked, what his poll numbers are, things like that. he cares if he can get this done. so to the degree that he and the vice president can get on the same page with a strategy, that makes this lunch important. what's going to happen over the next six or eight weeks on capitol hill, according to essentially every republican i've talked to over the last few weeks, will determine whether or not republicans can continue to be a governing party or if they might be talking about losing seats next year. >> it's a good one. political analyst and washington post white house phil rutger, environmentalen significant freed and mya harris. president trump meeting with the republican establishment, he
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golfed with rand paul and lindsey graham this weekend. based on what graham had to say this weekend, it sounds like graham himself is putting out a dire warning for mitch mcconnell. take a listen. >> if we don't cut taxes and we don't eventually repeal and replace obamacare then we're going to lose across the board and the house in 2018 and all of my colleagues running in primaries in 2018 are probably get beat. it will be the end of mitch mcconnell as we know it. >> it will be the end of mitch mcconnell as we know it. >> true. republicans came in, we had both chambers of congress and the presidency. we had unprecedented ways to get everything done. what do we have to show for it that we can hang our hats on as a party. we have neil gorsuch. >> that's a huge win, though. >> it is a huge win and it's going to be the lasting legacy.
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but how does it impact somebody on main street? how do they have extra money into their pockets? how do they have health care lower for the cost? >> that's a beautiful point because true conservatives love the neil gorsuch appointment but all of those forgotten americans who hadn't necessarily voted for a republican before, voted for president trump because they wanted something different. phillip, we have seen trump attack mitch over and over again specifically on health care. what do we think is going to happen here? the two of them need a win or does trump really need a win and just keep going after mcconnell? >> you're right that there's been so much public animosity in this relationship but they both need a win, they understand the stakes and some republican senators are pretty optimistic actually that behind closed doors and in private and with vice president pence as a mediator of sorts that they'll be able to get on the same page. trump just wants something to sign. he wants a bill done. he wants a signature piece of legislation and he wants to have
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a big beautiful ceremony and have these tax cuts go through and so does mcconnell. there's some hope from republican senators that i talked to that they can make some progress and get over the difficulties they've had in their relationship. >> mya, he's right. he loves signing something. is he going to ring up nancy pelosi and chuck schumer. >> they need each other. he needs a legislative win. mcconnell needs a win as well as you were saying. they have a unified government for the first time in many years and they have not gotten anything done, which puts, you know, in jeopardy the senate majority. i also think that this is a little complicated when you start to factor in someone like bannon. trump needs mcconnell for tax reform, but he also can't risk alienating bannon. and he's made himself the keeper of trump's base and ultimately, you know --
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>> and trump loves that base way more than he likes dining with mitch mcconnell. >> exactly. trump needs the very establishment that bannon is trying to take down and so i think, you know, makes for some tricky try angu lation for donald trump about how he's going to forge the alliance he needs with mcconnell. make sure he's not looking like he's too close in the establishment that he may unleash those forces against his own presidency if he's not careful. >> another republican lawmaker that he's battled with, bob corker. corker is saying that trump's actions are creating binary choices between war with countries like north korea and iran or allowing those countries to obtain nuclear weapons, quote, you cannot publicly castrate your own secretary of state without giving yourself that binary choice and i want to share in the response from rex tillerson and u.n. ambassador nikki haley. >> i'm checked. i'm fully intacted.
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>> that is just so much drama. it's really -- it's all this palace intrigue. i'm glad to be living in new york just for that reason is that i don't want to be near the drama and i don't want to be near the gossip. >> brother, please, i'm going to you phil rutger. are we actually going to believe that nikki haley being in new york is separated from the drama, no way jose. >> let's just first say what an extraordinary moment that was for the secretary of state had to publicly say that on television. that's something. >> i'm fully intact. >> nikki haley say member of this cabinet. she's going to be here in washington today. she's very involved in these national security discussions and very involved in the drama that's taking place behind the scenes and trying to figure out this president's response to issues like north korea and the iran deal. she's front and center in that mix so she may not physically be in d.c., she may not be the one that everybody's gossiping and speculating about all the time but she's in the middle of this. >> then evan, what's your
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thought here? for nikki haley to say i want to stay away from the drama, there's zero chance that's true. >> she wants to publicly stay away from the trump. and she wants to have that distance because washington itself -- >> but she doesn't have that distance. >> on paper she does. and i think that's the perception she's trying to playup. nikki haley is intimately involved in this administration's foreign policy and she has to be by virtue of her position. she was involved in syria and our response to gassing men, women and children and i think that the more nikki haley can distance herself from washington, that's better for her as well and it gives her more moral standing because washington, d.c. everyone's trying to knife one another from the back. >> from a strategy standpoint, why would nikki haley want to be secretary of state? what would she want to move herself to d.c. and being
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secretary of state when she can sit pretty and continue to get these high marks as ambassador to the u.n. >> it's one of the most powerful positions in any administration, so it's certainly not something necessarily want to rule out out of hand. i also think that this whole back and forth between tillerson and haley and what their relationship is, on the one hand it is very indicative of this white house. there's the who's up, who's down, who's fighting with whom in the white house. it's really in this context, it's very serious. it is really an issue of our national security. you see tillerson putting out one point of view and haley putting out another one. it really evidences the lack of a coherent policy and leadership coming from this president, which is no way to run a white house and now what you're seeing is this jockeying that's occurring where people are trying to fill the vacuum in public with their own point of vul and i think that ultimately -- that is a probably for us in terms of national security and the signal it sends both to our allies and
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adversaries. >> phillip, let's taulk about the well-oiled machine, the white house that only hires the best, best people. you were part of this story just broken this morning inside the adult day care how aids tried to troll and coerce trump? >> my colleague did a great job with this piece. we took the quote that bob corker had about the adult day-care center and figured out what that really means and what's going on behind the scenes and what we found is a lot of these aids really do try to manipulate the president and treat him in some ways like a child and certainly talk about him that way in private and, you know, when there's a decision that he wants to make that he feel like is bad or reckless or politically damaging for him in some way, they have tricks. they try to slow walk it, they try to delay it. mr. president, we'll look into that and get back to you and you wait a couple weeks and they don't actually get back to him. but there are all sorts of tricks that they have developed to try to deal with him and his
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wrim pulses. this is a president who governs by impulse. >> are any of them working? in this piece you've got larry summers quoted calling steve mnuchin the treasury secretary, the biggest sycophant cabinet member in history. these tricks might keep them from getting screamed at by the president but are they impactful in any way? >> well, a lot of aids will tell you, you have no idea the things that we've stopped. i don't know exactly what those are -- >> they tell me that all the time too. that one is so tiring. you don't know what goes on behind the scenes. i'm scared. >> you're right about it not working entirely. there are a lot of decisions that even his own -- the president's own cabinet feels like have been reckless, they've gone forward with, the paris climate accord. there was great disagreement internally about that and there was a fear that that would disrupt a lot of our alliances in the west and most recently as the iran deal where a number of the national security officials were urging the president not to
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take the step that he ended up taking. >> evan, take us inside. when you look at the president's surrogates, cabinets, his senior advisers, they refute this adult day-care center claim bill bob corker. you know people who actually work on the line, inside that white house as part of the rnc. what are they telling you it's like? >> moral is low. younger to mid-level staffers don't want to be there and are looking for the exit ramp and that's pretty astounding for this early in any sort of presidency. john kelly has done a much better job in his predecessor in controlling the flow of information to the president and many people are happy he's there because the president would have somebody just slip him a note, here's this article and it could have been from info wars and the president launches a commission to find out why the frogs are being turned gay or something like that. we have gotten better but we saw it again this morning. the president is out and attacking chuck schumer again. he thinks it's going to fun and
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calling democrats obstructionist. there's no coherent message and it goes to what phil is talking about and a lot of stuff is being done haphazardly. israel was taken by surprise and is very upset with us as a result. that's one of our closest allies as the president talks about hand in glove and i think that they need to have a much more strategic thinking and get the president on the same page and outline what the trump doctrine is for foreign policy, for domestic policy even because at times he loves things and then he hates it. it's a jekyll and hyde. >> he told cbs i stand for nothing. while we've been speaking, he's calling democrats obstrulktist. he just twieted. if crooked hillary clinton is going to run in 2020? my answer was i hope so. mya, across the board, democrats have so much that they could say about -- they could just fact check the president day in and day out and proves that he's a
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liar but what they also haven't proven is what's their strategy? what do democrats need to do besides getting this guy out. >> we have to come up for the affirmative vision on how their lives will be better under a democratic president. there is an absolute affirmative case and message that needs to be put forward by the democrats, but it is certainly going to be something to build on that all of the actions of this white house and the chaos and the dysfunction has led to the sacramento opposite which is nothing has so far moved forward for the american people, we're alienating our allies, emboldenning our adversaries. there's certainly that piece of it for the democrats to build on as well. the vision is going to be key because people want to vote for something not just against something. >> i just think phillip, what do you hear in washington?
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democrats have so much that they could go on to go after the president, but there isn't a clear message and there's certainly not a clear face of leadership? >> and there's also a concern that the, you know, we're now nine months in and some of these things that were so extraordinary from this president early on are baked into the atmosphere and we're used to it. we're used to the mistruths and misstatements and exaggerations and it's not shocking to the american people any more and that's a challenge for democrats when they're thinking ahead to 2018 and even four years down the road to 2020. how to run against him and what to seize on and what will really get voters agitated to vote him out of office. what will excite them and engage them? >> i would just leave it at, we heard it over and over from those who are trump apologist. they've said over and over watch what he does not says. the problem is he hasn't actually done much. thank you all for this great
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welcome back. you're watching msnbc. the worst may be over, we hope. one week after deadly wildfires broke out throughout the state of california, calmer winds sunday gave fire crews a much
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needed break as they gained ground on the fires that have killed at least 40 people and destroyed 5,700 homes and businesses. the california governor cautions they are not out of the woods yet. nbc's steve patterson has been there all week and he joins us from santa rosa. how are things looking, steve? >> reporter: things here are terrible, stephanie. just look around where we are right now. this is santa rosa, california. my team has been traveling around the region now for more than a week. we've gone to town after town in multiple counties and we've seen devastations just like this, homes that are burnt to the ground. it is particularly devastating here in santa rosa. we're talking about 2,800 homes and businesses in this town alone that were destroyed. 400,000 square feet of commercial real estate space gone because of these fires. if you want to broad it out and look at the bigger picture, now that we're passed the phase of rescue of recovery, now we're in
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containment. a lot of these fires are paired down. there's significant progress that was made over the weekends. firefighters finally saying something i didn't know that i was here that they're getting an upper hand, they've turned a corner on these fires. the atlas fire and tubbs fires, two of the major fires, that have caused the most death and caused the most damage, now more than both 60% contained in this fire fight. he has come at a cost. these firefighters working round the clock, 24 hours shifts. we've talked to some of them on the front line to find out how they're doing and how they're handling this. listen to this. >> we're going to end up sleeping in one of these dirt lots at base camp and we're grateful for any kind of sleep. we're not complaining. all it takes it a dirt patch and you're happy with that. >> still more than 75,000 people under evacuation. a lot of those evacuation orders
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are now being lifted, you have. that means a lot of folks are going to come back and find heart break just like this. their homes destroyed. >> thank you so much for honestly a week of fampg reporting. we appreciate it. >> you got it. a meeting of the minds. what the democrats think of the chances of tax reform with trump and mcconnell at the helm? the strongest eastern atlantic hurricane on record set to hit ireland today. hurricane ophelia expected to slam ireland and the northern uk with record destructive winds and torrential rains.
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welcome back. i'm stephanie ruhle. everything you need to know to get your day started. democratic congressman benny thompson is asking the department of homeland security to investigate the water situation in puerto rico. nearly one month after hurricane maria hit the island more than 35% of the island does not have access to safe and clean drinking water. seven people were injured overnight and one person is still missing after an oil ring exploded on a lake in louisiana near new orleans. officials say there's a
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possibility oil is leaking into the lake. in the department of justice has sent a federal hate crimes lawyer to iowa to help prosecute a man charged with killing a transgender teenager last year. colin kaepernick has filed a grievance against the nfl accusing team owners of colluding to keep him out of the league for kneeling during the national anthem. and an iraqi government forces had launched a major operation to drive kurdish forces from the disputed oil rich city of kirka. >> president trump is scheduled to have lunch with mitch mcconnell as the two tried to forge a path forward on tax reform. the meeting tweeted this quote, the democrats only want to increase taxes and obstruct. that's all they are good at. well, joining me now someone who would disagree. democratic congressman erik swalwell of the great state of
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california a member of the house intelligence committee. we got to start with trump and mcconnell. these two gentlemen clearly have their disagreement, they agree on one thing they've got to get something passed and the next thing is tax reform. if these two men can bury the hatchet, is there anything you and your fellow democrats can do to stop them? >> good morning, stephanie. we better. because right now this is a missed opportunity to help people who need tax relief the most working class families who are seeing their paychecks go down and down every month but they're working harder. i looked at the plan again this morning and here's what it does for the top 1% in this country you'll make about $11,000 more a month. for the middle 20% you'll make about $55 more a month and for the bottom 20% it's $5 more a month. it's clear this benefits the
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wealthiest. it doesn't put people back to work and the people president trump talked to during the campaign. we should try and focus on spurring economic development where we need it and not just giveaways to the wealthiest. >> steve mnuchin actually said i concreed meaning you got it, i'll admit it, that the estate tax for example, only helps the rich. but in the past, you have expressed support for democratic leaders striking deals with this administration. is there a deal to strike here or is this so one-sided, so bad there's nothing to be done? >> well, i never want to say never. so we should be open minded to finding ways to work with them where we can. >> where. >> so chris collins and i have legislation called the main street revival act. you can defer your payroll taxes. i think opportunities like that we should explore especially so many places where they're seeing their economies change,
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automation is replacing jobs, trade deals are send willing workers overseas. we should try and get america working particularly in the heartland and communities that truly have been disconnected. why don't we start there? if it's just corporate income taxes coming down with no guarantee that wage increases will go to the backbone of the workforce. i'm not going to be for that and i don't think my colleagues will be either. >> there are no levers that would force these companies to get tax breaks and higher more people or pay them any more. it doesn't exactly make sense. i want to talk about obamacare which i know is so important to you. the president's executive order is cutting off critical payments to health insurance companies and i want to share what john kasich said on "meet the press." >> i'm very disappointed in the direction of the republican party. the republican party cannot be antitrade or immigrant or taking away health care for millions of people. this is not what the party is.
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>> i'm guessing you would agree with john kasich but despite these comments there's a load of republicans who support president trump, especially on killing obamacare. so where does that leave democrats? >> democrats must continue to work with republicans where we can and you're seeing that in the senate with patty murray and lam lamar. they were making progress, but stephanie, if we start with the premises that everyone should have access to affordable and quality health care that insurance means that we all share the risks and share the benefits, and try and make sure that we cover people in areas where there are high risks pools and make sure the sickiest among us aren't left out in the cold, we can do this. the president what he did last week is essentially setting up a hostage snoerks. he said he's going to take away insurance for the poorest among us and also he said it's time for the democrats to come to the table. it sounds like he's willing to keep shooting hostages until he
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gets what he wants. we're not going to give in on this. we've come too far and i hope that more reasonable minds -- >> then congressman, why not let him have it? president trump attacked obamacare on the campaign trail. many people said i don't like obamacare. i want something better. why not let the president have his plan? put it through and then see what it looks like. >> because his plan means that the breast cancer survivor who came up to me two weeks ago and told me that obamacare meant that she wasn't going to be gouged for having a preexisting condition would be kicked off her coverage and have to pay more. it's people like her who we have to continue to stand up and fight for and it's people like her who were heard during the repeal and replace debate who made sure they didn't have the votes to pass it. we must make sure those voices are heard across the country. we can strengthen it. let's bring republicans and democrats to the table and do that but not just repeal and
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replace. that's going to hurt too many people. >> that's what we want, bipartisanship. people don't care who the party is, they just want good health care. i really appreciate you joining me. >> my pleasure. the criminal pact of the revelations about harvey weinstein on women and the workplace and what comes next. not just all about hollywood. >> the burden needs to stop being put on women always to be the ones who are sounding the alarm.
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please turn up the volume for this. new developments today in the allegations surrounding the conduct of harvey wean stein. police in london are now investigating claims of sexual assault made by three women against the same man, reportedly weinstein. in total more than 40 women have accused harvey weinstein of allegations ranging from sexual harassment from assault to rape. weinstein's spokesperson denies allegations of nonconsensual sex. the group behind the oscars the academy of motion pictures arts and sciences has vote today expel harvey wean stein. the weinstein scandal has put the issue of sexual harassment front and center. i sat down with a group of women who say they experienced sexual misconduct in the workplace. take a listen. >> do you feel that these experiences changed your career paths? >> absolutely. >> probably.
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>> yeah. i wanted to be the first female african-american managing director. that was my goal and it didn't dawn on me until now, years later, that i walked away from an industry that i loved and i really wanted to work in. >> your career paths were stolen. they were hijacked. >> they were hijacked. >> it's really hard because they're stealing dreams, they're stealing something that has lived inside of our soul for so long and it's not just a paycheck and the food on the table, they steal more than sex. they still a part of us. >> then this week, when the story broke, when you heard all of the weinstein stories, when you shared your stories and heard other peoples, how did it feel? >> it was validating. i mean -- for me the harvey weinstein situation didn't -- it
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wasn't a surprise and there's a very strong connection between his conduct and the conduct we face every day. >> it's something that is so pervasive that what really struck me this week was that we have all these women sharing our stories. where are the men? i'm just wondering the guy who does make that inappropriate comment, the guy who does cat call the woman on the street, the guy who does say to his employee, hey, you know, there are perks -- is he effected by it? does he realize, actually, you know, maybe this is wrong? >> i'm reading hundreds of stories this week that keep having this creepy shoulder massage. >> yeah. >> yep. >> have you speexperienced it? >> multiple times. when you rebuff the advances. whoa, whoa, whoa, i'm just a nice guy. i thought you looked tense. >> when people say that they're
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surprise that there's so much sexual harassment out there today. >> they don't get it. >> they're oblivious. >> i don't know any woman in my life who has not been harassed, assaulted, raped. >> what has to change to make this world a better place for women to thrive? >> until we take away, remove that sense of entitlement from attackers, abusers, harassers, it's going to continue happening, but the laws don't matter if there's nobody there to enforce them. >> the burden needs to stop being put on women always to be the ones who are sounding the alarm. >> i don't think anyone at any of my jobs ever thought that we were equal in our power. >> how many times are little girls told, no, go hug him, go sit in his lap let him kiss you when you don't want to go? >> my god. i want to talk about this. political and legal contributor mya harris back with me. what is your reaction when you
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hear that? the laws don't matter if they're not enforced. but there aren't laws to protect you against your dreams getting stolen. >> you can't underestimate the importance of that because why are people going to step forward and tell their stories if they don't think that there's going to be any consequences and accountability. it's also not just on the women to help us make progress on this issue. it's up to -- it's up to men. i think that what's really, you know, been important in looking at this whole story unfolding is that there's so much attention on this right now because of a story of a high profile rich and powerful man who is abusing his power over glamorous beautiful women in hollywood and what these women are showing us and illustrating in the segment that you did is that this is happening in a pervasive away across all sorts of employment
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situations. >> even worse. these women don't have the freedom to say take this job and shove it, they need the paycheck. >> this is such an important piece of this. there's so many women whose names will never know but whose pain is just as real. it classes race, geography, class. we know that there's in other context the sexual exploitation culture that's engrained in this power imbalance that you find in different workplaces. we've seen it in sexual assault in the military and silicon valley. to your point where we don't hardly ever see or recognize it and it's very invisible among low wage workers who are literally held hostage to their paycheck and have to endure this so this is something that really is pervasive. it's something that i think it's important that this story has broken but we can't lose sight of this bigger picture, there are women in all facets of life that are struggling with this in different employment situations. >> we need to do more than talk
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about it. we need to do something about it. we'll take a break. steve bannon sets his sights on mitch mcconnell. the senate majority leader's defender calling bannon a noisy distraction. my day starts well before
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this is not my war. this is our war. and y'all didn't start it, the establishment started it. >> former goldman sachs managing director steve bannon speaking about the establishment. join battle lines against the gop establishment in a speech at the values voter summit this week in d.c. he ratcheted up his popular rhetoric and slammed the gop agenda. with me, national political reporter for nbc news, jonathan allen. i just want to remind you, when steve bannon goes after the establishment over and over and goes after globalists and
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capitalists, let's remember, he is financed by the mercer family. robert mercer, the co-founder of renaissance, one of the most profitable hedge funds on the planet. currently in dispute to the back taxes to the tune of almost $7 billion. here's what he said about mitch mcconnell. >> all you folks that are so concerned that you're going to get primaried and defeated, you know, there's time for maya copa. you can come to a stick and condemn senator corker. and you can come to a stick, a microphone and say, i am not going to vote for mitch mcconnell for majority leader. >> jonathan, if you were mitch mcconnell, would this worry you? >> it would worry me because what happens with the intimidation campaigns that are guerilla warfare that steve bannon and his allies are working toward, they are going to put them in position of losing primaries or fighting
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tough primaries. and that will erode mitch mcconnell's support. if your goal is to take out the house majority leader, that is what is happening. >> what is going on here, evan siegfried? >> this is a civil war. >> why should you be in the civil war, you won everything? >> because we have not gotten results in the legislature. and that is what happens. we begin to panic and begin turning on one another. it is mitch mcconnell's fault because he just has to say the word and everybody votes the way he wants it. no, when your majority leader dealing with the senators, it is like herding cats and that could be easier. what we're seeing him do is attacking mike pence today. he says they are too close to
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the koch brothers. the last time he did this was in 2010, and he put up todd aiken, christine o'donnell and other nuts, sharon engle, who cost republicans senate seats and made it impossible for us to win because they were so outside the mainstream. if steve bannon wants to help democrats, he's doing it. >> that was for income equality. jonathan, steve bannon, more dangerous outside the white house than he is inside? >> depending on what is perspective. definitely more dangerous for the establishment republicans from outside the white house. if he's in the white house, he's co-authored, we have seen that he wants to claim himself sort of the guardian of trump-ism, whether or not president trump is always able to guard trump-ism as well from the white house. the second you get into the seat of power, the more concessions you have to make to try to get
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consensus, to try to get all the stake holders involved. bannon likes to be a purist. he likes weapons of war, as he sort of talks about them, and from out there, he can take a lot from the republican party. >> the irony, the term purist among a group of people, values, the whole thing blows my mind. do you think mitch mcconnell can get replaced if we don't get tax reform through? >> i think he could face serious opposition from outside the senate. but who among republican senators can inspire the confidence and understands the body and i didn't canci intric. >> in 2010, we saw steve bannon try to do this and bring fringe candidates to get elected and it hurt the republican party. but in your new article on msnbcnews.com. he needs to wreak havoc and is certainly doing that. >> absolutely.
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carrie geiger and i talked to people involve in the conservative movement and the anti-establishment movement, they are saying if we bat .400, we are in the hall of fame. so they want to take out a couple people. so if they support the candidates in the race, there will be a huge intimidation case along with other republican lawmakers. >> my god, the drama isn't going away any time soon. thank you so much. a great piece that you want to look at here on msnbc.com. and some are wanting to keep the most dangerous opioids own the street. this story is going to ruin your week and it is only monday.
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before we go, i have got to share this story. just one week after u.s. army specialist chris harris learned he was going to be a father, he was killed by a suicide bomber in afghanistan. chris' wife brit just found out she was pregnant. she stayed in touch with his fellow soldiers and asked if they wanted to be the first to know if she was having a boy or a girl. and they jumped at the idea, hosting the gender reveal celebration in afghanistan, please watch this. >> on my count, are you ready? three, two, one!
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whoo! >> that's what i like to see, a little girl power. brit said she loved the video and has watched it 100 times. well, i'm a close second. i think i have watched it 16. i love that story. and i'm wishing the best of luck and healthy pregnancy to brit. that wraps us up this hour. see, i'm tongue-tied by that. i'm stephanie ruhle. see you at 11:00 with ali velshi. now to another dear friend of mine, hallie jackson in the district of columbia. >> love the girl power on a monday morning. see you in an hour. for now, we'll start out this hour with a very busy week and a lunch that may get a little weird. maybe not, but mitch mcconnell's meeting with the president after months of, let's call it, awkwardness. on the menu? the budget, tax reform, foreign policy and maybe some fence mending. he

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